If you angle your head just so while flapping your arms, you’ll see I’m right.
by schwim on May.27, 2009, under Software
Well, it’s almost that time again. Actually it would have already been that time, but Fedora devs would no sooner push a bus full of nuns over a cliff than they would stick to a release schedule.
That’s right folks, some day in the very near future, Fedora 11 will officially be released and I can begin flagellating myself by trying another version of Fedora. I’ve saved my old work PC in the corner for just this reason. I can’t explain it to you any better than this: I miss it like a battered woman misses her abuser.
Linux nerds are supposedly gearing up for another “linux will take over the desktop world” debate, which is kind of like saying Vegimite is going to take the place of maple syrup. It’s never going to happen. Vegimite has it’s place, but it will never be a sugary syrup. For linux not taking the podium, pick whichever reason you’d like; monopolies, government conspiracies, a server OS in a DE, end users are retards, etc. ad nauseum. Pull any one(or two) reasons from your ass and you will be right.
I can’t explain why I’m going to do this to myself again and since I can’t foresee the future, I can’t tell you why it will fail…. yet. If the Fedora devs ever decide to release an official version, then I promise you that in less than 24 hours, I will have a reason why I’m still chained to this piece of shit 9 year old operating system.
But while I’m waiting, I’ll be reading the comments from users telling us the real reason why linux can’t dominate the desktop market.
May 27th, 2009 on 6:48 pm
When I came to Linux some 3 years ago I saw Fedora as some sort of rite of passage — probably because I’d seen it in Staples years before and almost bought it. (Whew! That was close!) Since then I’ve run most everything that’s come down the pike in x86 & x86_64 in just about all GDM and “doo-dad” variations. I’m burned out on the process so I decided to just settle into Debian and stay there.
I took a look at the F11 “preview” but didn’t see much to thrill me (and I hate LVM like the plague). Maybe I’ll try the actual release just to take a look at ext4. I’m more interested in the release of a new Slackware.
May 27th, 2009 on 9:30 pm
i dont think you have to use LVM in fedora? just manually partition it an use ext4
getting back to Fedora release schedules, makes me wonder why they even bother with a ” Schedule” since they never stick by it. IMO 11 isnt much different from Fedora10 apart from its new Features. i would recommend anyone to wait for 12 than wasting there time on 11 . all the Devs care about is Features an how much they can shove into it, soon enough they’ll have to strip it down cause it’ll just be to Big in size
May 27th, 2009 on 10:33 pm
I would call Fedora 8 the last release I’d give two shakes for. The subsequent releases have been abysmal in my opinion.
Masochism. That’s the only possible reason.
May 28th, 2009 on 12:20 am
I’ll try F11 for kicks but F10 is working pretty much (though features have regressed slightly since F8, from my perspective). Despite all the promises of getting closer to “works out of the box”, the effort required to get Fedora to do everything I want doesn’t seem to be shrinking.
Linux MInt 7 has just been released, and that really does seem to be good. Maybe you should give that a go.
May 28th, 2009 on 12:39 am
I’ll probably give it another go. With the introduction of KDE 4, I really no longer have a reason to stay away from Gnome
May 28th, 2009 on 6:43 am
I gave Mint 7 a spin yesterday for about an hour. Very good actually — wireless was no hassle at all. Thought about installing but didn’t want to do Gnome. Also, it’s the 28 kernel and I’m holding out for 29.
Can’t remember but I think F11 is still the 28 kernel.
@Dark:
Don’t need LVM? I’ll have a look. Last couple of times with Fedora it seemed to insist on LVM and didn’t recognize my other OS’s. PITA.
May 28th, 2009 on 11:43 am
Just do a ‘custom’ install and set it up as ext3 or whatever else you choose. It’s all available and I haven’t used LVM since FC4.
As to the “wow” factor, that’s not gonna happen with F11. I’ve had it working fine since Alpha (except for lowered sound in PulseAudio). It’s going to be a decent version, but there’s no need to grab every new one that comes along – you can stick with the even-number releases and do just fine.
“Cutting Edge” doesn’t exactly describe it anymore. There’s too many distros that have similar features to generate much excitement. And, sadly for me, there’s a tendency for the devs to disable features such as auto-login and signing in as root. Safety First is important, but it should be an option, not a forced issue. Yes, there are easy workarounds but I’d rather see the options listed.
That said, I’m running Debian, Ubuntu, PCLOS, Mint and several other distros and still spend 95% of my time in Fedora. Guess I’m used to all the glitches and tweaks.
May 28th, 2009 on 12:48 pm
Thanks for the tips, Bob. Out doing missionary work, are you?
I’ll give F11 a try – at least boot up the liveCD. I’d be especially interested to see a spin with KDE3.5.10 or LXDE.
May 31st, 2009 on 1:42 am
I recently replaced Fedora 10 with Mint 7 and apart from a couple of glitches it’s working fine. I had trouble setting up my nVidia card at first and just removed everything with “nvidia” in the name in the Package Manager and reinstalled the drivers. The screen blanks if I don’t use it for a few minutes, even though I have Power Management set to off! &*&^%^$* annoying if you’re watching a DVD! I also can’t find the menu item to lock the screen in the Gnome menu… Weird, it should be under “System” I may give F11 a shot on my old PC… If they ever release it
Removing Mono was more of a chore than it is in Fedora, but it’s all gone now!
Good thing about Mint…..? No PackageSpit!
May 31st, 2009 on 3:34 am
i think there pushing new features into fedora far to much an just dont care about the Desktops anymore. , they’ll learn eventually when they lose more user base to Ubuntu or some other Distro